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	<title>Comments on: Unity of Labour</title>
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		<title>by: whitemice</title>
		<link>http://kybernetikos.com/2005/08/09/unity-of-labour/#comment-28</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I would agree that any situation (including poverty) with no reasonable means of escape is a bad thing.

We do live in a society with an enormous labour surplus and have done for some time and this has taken us far on the road to Marx ideal. However, for most people the ideal is impossible, not because of a small elite group but because they persist in using the word need frivolously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that any situation (including poverty) with no reasonable means of escape is a bad thing.</p>
<p>We do live in a society with an enormous labour surplus and have done for some time and this has taken us far on the road to Marx ideal. However, for most people the ideal is impossible, not because of a small elite group but because they persist in using the word need frivolously.
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		<title>by: kyb</title>
		<link>http://kybernetikos.com/2005/08/09/unity-of-labour/#comment-27</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I enjoyed your comment whitemice, so much so, then the next time I have a job opening for someone to criticise after dinner, you'll be first on my list.

The Marx quote is quite clearly utopian, I think even he would have admitted that, it could only possibly be achieved in a society with enormous labour surplus, such as might be achieved through widespread automation and other technological advances. The sad truth is that were such a large surplus to exist at the moment in any of our societies, the benefit of it would be concentrated in the hands of a vanishingly small group, and there would still be people living in poverty. Surely that's something that we can agree is a bad thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed your comment whitemice, so much so, then the next time I have a job opening for someone to criticise after dinner, you&#8217;ll be first on my list.</p>
<p>The Marx quote is quite clearly utopian, I think even he would have admitted that, it could only possibly be achieved in a society with enormous labour surplus, such as might be achieved through widespread automation and other technological advances. The sad truth is that were such a large surplus to exist at the moment in any of our societies, the benefit of it would be concentrated in the hands of a vanishingly small group, and there would still be people living in poverty. Surely that&#8217;s something that we can agree is a bad thing?
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		<title>by: whitemice</title>
		<link>http://kybernetikos.com/2005/08/09/unity-of-labour/#comment-26</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Feeding the whole population requires so many deer, pheasants, fish and cattle; this in turn requires a certain amount of work. Unfortunately, men, months and knowledge are not freely interchangeable so a society of any ideology is always constrained to do certain things in certain ways by certain people or else die.

In fact, the only job on the list that is freely available at any time with seemingly no education is criticising after dinner, a job Mr Marx evidently had much liking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feeding the whole population requires so many deer, pheasants, fish and cattle; this in turn requires a certain amount of work. Unfortunately, men, months and knowledge are not freely interchangeable so a society of any ideology is always constrained to do certain things in certain ways by certain people or else die.</p>
<p>In fact, the only job on the list that is freely available at any time with seemingly no education is criticising after dinner, a job Mr Marx evidently had much liking for.
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